Then there is this sad sad pair. My only pair with a short row heel. They are too loose. Even so they are on my feet as I type. #2 needles. 72 st. 2x2 rib for 1.5". Stockinette for 63 rows for a 7" cuff. Helen Griffin Heel to 10 st. (notes to not go so low next time). Stockinette foot. Think round toe decrease. Yarn: Lang Jawool Superwash. Color: 83.0051 (Blue/grey tweedy)